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5.6 Sprint

Contents

  1. Date and location
    1. People Availability
  2. Attendance
  3. Possible Topics
    1. Tags
    2. Releases
    3. Shelve using archived phase
    4. Replication-friendly repository format
    5. Combined revlog
    6. More command "namespace"
    7. Google's --changeset-as-wdir feature
    8. Demo of Martin's experimental VCS
    9. Dropping Python 2
    10. State of Rust
    11. Mercurial layered architecture
    12. Testing systems
    13. Using MMap More
    14. General performance discussion
    15. --auto-shelve flag (similar to --autostash in git) for write commands
    16. Packaging / TortoiseHg
  4. Who is interested in which topics?
  5. Sprint Notes

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1. Date and location

This sprint will be held online using Google Meet. It will start on Nov 5 at 15:00 UTC (07:00 US West Coast, 10:00 US East Coast, 16:00 CET, 20:30 India, 24:00 Japan). Instructions for connecting to the VC will be added here before the sprint starts.

The schedule is available in https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-PhQvYRmUk2LRrpKZg32fktAsfBRN93WC1GKCnDK7YY/edit?usp=sharing.

The Google Meet link for Saturday is https://meet.google.com/ybp-fjhd-hwp The Google Meet link for Sunday is https://meet.google.com/mvi-ogxh-ytw

1.1. People Availability

Please also indicate your interests in the table at the bottom if you add yourself here.

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Martin von Zweigbergk

US West Coast

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Jeff Sipek

US East Coast

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Augie Fackler

US East Coast

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* Monday and Wednesday I'm unlikely to be able to focus until around 1400 America/New_York. Other days all easy.

Jörg Sonnenberger

Central Europe

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Matt Harbison

US East Coast

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Rodrigo Damazio Bovendorp

US West Coast

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Danny Hooper

US West Coast

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Manuel Jacob

Central Europe

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Pierre-Yves David

UTC+1

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Raphaël Gomès

UTC+1

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Antoine Cezar

UTC+1

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Georges Racinet

UTC+1

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I have a consultancy on Nov 6, will try and play with time zones

Pulkit Goyal

UTC+5:30

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Timezone differences, but can try to join a meeting or two

Yuya Nishihara

UTC+9

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I can't wake up early

Gregory Szorc

US West Coast

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Sushil Khanchi

UTC+5:30

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Timezone differences, but can try to join meetings acc. to the timings

Valentin Gatien-Baron

US East Coast

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Charles Chamberlain

US East Coast

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Mathias De Maré

UTC+1

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* Will try to join where possible/relevant

Anton Shestakov

UTC+8

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Available as a fly on the wall ~15:00-19:00 UTC

2. Attendance

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3. Possible Topics

Important things we want to discuss: (add your own)

3.1. Tags

Multiple large users have their own overwrite of Mercurial tag system. It is worth reviewing what and why they do it and maybe make plan to improve the situation accordingly.

3.2. Releases

Right now durin42 is doing all the releases, and has some help doing release notes. It'd be nice to have others start rolling releases. Is anyone interested? Can we automate this more?

3.3. Shelve using archived phase

What needs to be done to get this to replace current shelve?

3.4. Replication-friendly repository format

durin42 is interested in (and has a handwave of a design for) a storage layer that would be replication-friendly. Basically, "how could we restructure repo storage so that it would be safe to put in {Dropbox,CIFS,etc}"?

3.5. Combined revlog

(added by Pierre-YvesDavid, this is orthogonal to the previous format proposal)

Storing multiple files history into the same filelog could help our disk footsprint and performance.

It "just" mean to add an extra "key" to address content, logic to find the right filelog and some logic adjustement through the code.

I have no hard plan yet, but I wanted to discuss that more broadly.

3.6. More command "namespace"

Right now we have the normal namespace and the "debug" namespace. It would be useful to have a couple more explicit namespace with their own guarantee. For example one dedicated to maintenance command (debugupdatecache, debugrebuildstate, debugupgraderepo, etc…) and one for other tooling (eg: debugcompletion)

3.7. Google's --changeset-as-wdir feature

Multiple contributors from google are trying to have various existing commands being able to consider a revision in place of the working copy. This is an interesting and powerful idea that is worth discussing in greater length. See plan page.

3.8. Demo of Martin's experimental VCS

Martin von Zweigbergk: I have been working on an experimental VCS roughly since the last sprint (mostly in my spare time). It's not compatible with Mercurial, but maybe it will still be interesting to for Mercurial developers to see.

3.9. Dropping Python 2

When do we do it? Do we drop everything compat that is not 3.5.4+? Are we waiting on PyOxidizer?

3.10. State of Rust

- Discuss the current state of the project and what the features underway will become in a few months. - Discuss merging or not merging rhg/chg/hg with the help of PyOxidizer

3.11. Mercurial layered architecture

Alphare: slowly refactoring Mercurial into a two-layer codebase is something I've been thinking about over the past few months since the Rust implementation has adopted this split of core + consumer from the get-go. This is not a call to change everything right now but more of a "what do you think about this as a general direction in the next few years?".

3.12. Testing systems

gracinet: I've been experimenting with Python integration tests for extensions. I'm really satisfied with the results. I'd like to share the experience with the project, and I think it could be really useful in the core as well. Will give more details in IntegrationTestsPlan as a basis for discussion.

3.13. Using MMap More

Mostly things discussed in https://www.mercurial-scm.org/wiki/MMapPlan. What kind of format do we need to move toward to use more of mmap, and do we agree to get there.

3.14. General performance discussion

Exchanging around current performance bottleneck and what kind of option we have to solve them

3.15. --auto-shelve flag (similar to --autostash in git) for write commands

A flag to automatically perform "hg shelve; hg actual_command; hg unshelve"

3.16. Packaging / TortoiseHg

mharbison: Maybe this is at least partially covered by the release and py2 topics. Can we get Windows and macOS signing certificates, and sign the installers/*.app? Can we get automated release builds when it's finally ported to py3? Any interest in helping to port to py3? Can we get the tortoisehg.org domain when it expires?

4. Who is interested in which topics?

People are ordered by time zone.

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Releases

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Shelve using archived phase

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Replication-friendly repository format

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Combined revlog

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More command "namespace"

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Google's --changeset-as-wdir feature

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Demo of Martin's experimental VCS

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Dropping Python 2

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State of Rust

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Mercurial layered architecture

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Testing systems

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Using MMap More

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Performance

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--auto-shelve

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Packaging / TortoiseHg

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5. Sprint Notes

General overview:

https://mypads.framapad.org/mypads/?/mypads/group/octobus-public-5d3rw470w/pad/view/mercurial-sprint-gb2akv7pm

notes copied over

The table below is an attempt to gather written summary of discussion

Session theme

notes/result

People who know what happened

CategoryMeetings

5.6Sprint (last edited 2020-11-13 19:14:25 by Mathiasdm)